At a PYP workshop with educators from Europe and the Middle East in 2019, lower school principal at the International School of Ulm in South Germany, Heidi Bachman was learning all about agency in the PYP. Although somewhat new to the school, Heidi is not new to the concept of agency, having started her career in early childhood progressive education in the United States. As a keen advocate for voice and choice, Heidi talked to us about the value of scaffolding, and the important of a safe and collaborative culture in finding the space for risk-taking. A note: this conversation was recorded in 2019.